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jwillgoesfast



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PostPosted: Fri, 07.24.09 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the plight of lottery winners
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PostPosted: Fri, 07.24.09 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, you're right jwill
lets keep ark as backasswards as possible.
Why would we expect adults to make the choice on their own.
lets make it for them. Anyway, poor people are stupid people and should'nt have the chance to make the decision on their own. Maybe we can have a "rich people only" lottery that way no one goes hungry.
And hell, our state and county are overflowing with money.what do we need the extra cash for.
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PostPosted: Mon, 07.27.09 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BOOBY SAUCE wrote:
yeah, you're right jwill
lets keep ark as backasswards as possible.
Why would we expect adults to make the choice on their own.
lets make it for them. Anyway, poor people are stupid people and should'nt have the chance to make the decision on their own. Maybe we can have a "rich people only" lottery that way no one goes hungry.
And hell, our state and county are overflowing with money.what do we need the extra cash for.


I don't know if I agree with you completely on this one. I think that what we should do is put a new casino on each street corner as to better entertain me while I'm drunk. This way I could keep the fluff to a minimum and you folks could continue on with your debatings and whatnot and shit.
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PostPosted: Mon, 07.27.09 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jwillgoesfast wrote:
xaja wrote:

This is a poor argument. One can plan for the future and play the lottery. The odds of one winning millions are astronomical against it happening; however, participants know this going into the purchase...


For people like you and me, i agree that it is nothing more than good clean fun, but the "average" lotto player lives below the poverty line and often spends money they should be spending on food on their chance at "finally catching a break".

xaja wrote:

... portions of lottery revenue are required to go to good causes such as education.


yes, but of the 30% of revenue generated by these lotteries that actually does go to fund education is simply "poor people paying to send middle class kids to college"

xaja wrote:

Inefficient management of funds is a good point against lottery but this is a matter of electing/hiring the wrong personnel who set up system


the overwhelming majority of lotteries are run with exorbitantly high admin costs, it is most, not a few of them w/ bad/greedy administrators.

xaja wrote:

One shouldn't outlaw something(freedoms, actions, substances, etc) b/c it has the potential for abuse. Think about the number of deaths related to alcohol, driving a car, or owning guns.


Although driving a car while drunk and shooting my guns is one of my favorite things to do, it is probably in our society's best interest to be outlawed. Should we outlaw ponzi schemes b/c of potential for abuse?


xaja wrote:

If someone chooses to continuously spend entire paychecks on lottery tickets then that individual is a fool. Poverty is not the issue, stupidity is.


A fool is born every minute, a fool and his money are soon parted, the best place for a fool's money is in my pocket...perhaps these things are true and my efforts are futile.

xaja wrote:

In conclusion, the lottery has issues but overall the benefits outweigh the pitfalls.


I respectifully disagree.


What about benefits such as these?
http://www.lottery.ok.gov/beneficiary_vhtml.asp
It's basically just a voluntary "tax" for individuals who feel "lucky."
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PostPosted: Mon, 07.27.09 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Virginia has the lottery online. How about that!? We can also buy booze on Sundays. Suck it, Trebek!
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PostPosted: Sat, 08.01.09 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no independent study that shows that the majority of lottery players are poor.

If a fool is born every minute and a fool and his money are soon parted then the best solution is eliminate foolishness which is to provide funding for education, which lottery does.

If you consider all possible combinations than your odds on picking the right lotto numbers is better than choosing the right god. That doesn't stop most people from trying, though. Furthermore, given the negative outcomes of a large number of incorrect choices then it would be wise to say no one is allowed to pick a god because it could be too potentially dangerous. If churches were outlawed and every one was broken up into 40 square foot rooms, the homeless population in America would be eliminated. Moreover, if every the government seized all church funds for one year, they could pay for a year of medicare and social security.

Of course those things would never happen, because despite how idiotic I find it, people are allowed to think what they want and spend their money how they choose in this country (at least as far as christianity is concerned). How would you feel if the government decided to legislate your right to do that?
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PostPosted: Sat, 08.01.09 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tdogg wrote:
evan mcb wrote:
...the second clause of the second sentence bought a nice little bungalow in Renata-Town.


It's a fixer-upper.


i bet it wouldn't take that long if rosie helpled me... what do you think Renata?
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PostPosted: Sun, 08.02.09 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RandomHero wrote:
Tdogg wrote:
evan mcb wrote:
...the second clause of the second sentence bought a nice little bungalow in Renata-Town.


It's a fixer-upper.


i bet it wouldn't take that long if rosie helpled me... what do you think Renata?


I hereby grant the award for most levels of meaning in a single post to Casey-Boy. It was the drunken misspelling of 'helped' that really sealed it.
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PostPosted: Sun, 08.02.09 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

evan mcb wrote:
RandomHero wrote:
Tdogg wrote:
evan mcb wrote:
...the second clause of the second sentence bought a nice little bungalow in Renata-Town.


It's a fixer-upper.


i bet it wouldn't take that long if rosie helpled me... what do you think Renata?


I hereby grant the award for most levels of meaning in a single post to Casey-Boy. It was the drunken misspelling of 'helped' that really sealed it.


hey it's five o'clock somewhere.
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PostPosted: Mon, 08.03.09 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JHess wrote:
There is no independent study that shows that the majority of lottery players are poor.

If a fool is born every minute and a fool and his money are soon parted then the best solution is eliminate foolishness which is to provide funding for education, which lottery does.

If you consider all possible combinations than your odds on picking the right lotto numbers is better than choosing the right god. That doesn't stop most people from trying, though. Furthermore, given the negative outcomes of a large number of incorrect choices then it would be wise to say no one is allowed to pick a god because it could be too potentially dangerous. If churches were outlawed and every one was broken up into 40 square foot rooms, the homeless population in America would be eliminated. Moreover, if every the government seized all church funds for one year, they could pay for a year of medicare and social security.

Of course those things would never happen, because despite how idiotic I find it, people are allowed to think what they want and spend their money how they choose in this country (at least as far as christianity is concerned). How would you feel if the government decided to legislate your right to do that?


When was the last time YOU tried to help, teach, or advocate for someone who was "poor"?
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PostPosted: Mon, 08.03.09 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jwillgoesfast wrote:
JHess wrote:
There is no independent study that shows that the majority of lottery players are poor.

If a fool is born every minute and a fool and his money are soon parted then the best solution is eliminate foolishness which is to provide funding for education, which lottery does.

If you consider all possible combinations than your odds on picking the right lotto numbers is better than choosing the right god. That doesn't stop most people from trying, though. Furthermore, given the negative outcomes of a large number of incorrect choices then it would be wise to say no one is allowed to pick a god because it could be too potentially dangerous. If churches were outlawed and every one was broken up into 40 square foot rooms, the homeless population in America would be eliminated. Moreover, if every the government seized all church funds for one year, they could pay for a year of medicare and social security.

Of course those things would never happen, because despite how idiotic I find it, people are allowed to think what they want and spend their money how they choose in this country (at least as far as christianity is concerned). How would you feel if the government decided to legislate your right to do that?


When was the last time YOU tried to help, teach, or advocate for someone who was "poor"?


wasn't he saying money was the motivation for helping, teaching, and advocating? it would work pretty well in that case. i tried to read over and find help, teach, and advocate in the same sentence, but i couldn't.
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PostPosted: Tue, 08.04.09 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jwillgoesfast wrote:
When was the last time YOU tried to help, teach, or advocate for someone who was "poor"?

Probably that year I spent as a math teacher in the poorest part of Seattle.
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PostPosted: Tue, 08.04.09 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JHess wrote:
jwillgoesfast wrote:
When was the last time YOU tried to help, teach, or advocate for someone who was "poor"?

Probably that year I spent as a math teacher in the poorest part of Seattle.


Fair enough...+1 for you, both in life and in this argument for your service.

I concede to your point that there are positives to having a lottery. I think that the negatives out way the positives, but you either disagree or are indifferent to that point, but seem to be more adament about preserving our basic freedoms as Americans which is our right to choose for ourselves.

should we have the right to choose for ourselves to operate a vehicle under the influence of alcohol at our own discretion of what is safe, or should that decision be made for us by a set of guidelines dictated by the government. it seems that we have decided to have those guidelines set in this situation, since doing so saves lives. we lose some of our freedom by having those guidelines set for us and having to suffer the consequences of disobeying them, but most people are ok with that. But, as we continue to legislate more and more of our freedoms, with the consequences of keeping those freedoms becoming less severe, it is hard to decide where exactly to draw the line, and therefore increasingly more and more people are left divided by the line that is drawn.

All that to say, i concede to your argument and am agreeing to disagree. Hopefully lots of good will come from this (scholarships) and you and I both can continue to contribute to bettering our society and helping those less fortunate in our own ways.
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PostPosted: Tue, 08.04.09 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JHess wrote:
...people are allowed to think what they want and spend their money how they choose in this country (at least as far as christianity is concerned). How would you feel if the government decided to legislate your right to do that?


Well, the government already tells me how a portion of my money must be spent through taxes that fund bailouts and national debt interest payments...I would not be surprised if in the next decade or two (especially at the trend we are currently heading toward), the percentage of my tax bill jumped up another 10% or so.

Hopefully, although i will be paying more in taxes, i can still contribute to my church, feeding children in Thailand & supporting missionairies in 3rd world countries. If the government decided i could not do such things, I guess i would just more to said 3rd world countries myself.

That being said, i get what you were trying to say with your allegory. It is unconstitutional to tell people how to spend their money (some will argue that taxes are unconstitutional). I wish the government was a lot better at doing things than it is, perhaps i would be less reluctant to giving them my money & trusting their stewardship of taking care of those in need. The best thing is to educate people that is it unwise to spend their bread money on the astronomical chance of winning the lottery.
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PostPosted: Tue, 08.04.09 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone see the booming housing market in Australia presently, now how about that?
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