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jwillgoesfast



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PostPosted: Sun, 06.20.10 1:28 pm    Post subject: Marking clinic Reply with quote

Jody and I were talking the other day about how we (fayetteville) as a group have pretty bad marks, relative to other ultimate cities. In light of the conversation about competitive teams in NWA, i think part of that could be an initiative to improve our "fundamentals" as a group. being athletic or in great shape helps a ton with being competitive, but improving upon fundamental skills can not only help improve the general quality level of NWA players, but also something that will stay with them for as long as they play (versus being in shape).

We're getting to the point where we have lots of pretty good players (ADA starting line level) but we still have very few "Elite" level players. I propose that if we all started working on niche skills, starting with marking and worked on that skill diligently for a whole season, across all teams and leagues, we could have a large group with "elite" level marking skills. Then the next season move on to other aspects of the game.

In theory, after 3 or 4 years of this, even as players age and possible lose a step, every NWA player will still be improving their skillset and quality level. For me personally, i really haven't gotten any better since I stopped playing in college except for maybe a bit more field awareness that just comes from more experience, but had an initiative like this been in place, even without as much time to devote to practicing as was available in college, I could have become an expert at a few aspects of the game other than making bad calls.

I propose that we have a marking clinic, lead by the titians of NWA marking (Earl, Stephen, N!ck, etc) once a month on whatever night is free (mondays?) and then encourage each team (LS,SoCo, Mixed, Open, Women) to spend some extra time developing the skills that were taught in the clinics.

I'm confident that a skill like becoming an excellent mark can be taught and even if someone like Earl or Champagne has a sixth sense when it comes to handpacks, we can all improve in this. Also, this will make our "throwing against a great mark" skills greater as well by necessity.

so, thoughts?
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Katherine



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PostPosted: Tue, 06.22.10 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that sounds like a great idea. I know Andy has some thoughts to share on how to put on a good mark, as well. I would certainly encourage my summer league team mates to attend any such clinic and practice using their new skills at league. Any interest from the masters of the mark in helping to run a clinic?
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PostPosted: Tue, 06.22.10 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't read these articles yet, but thought I'd pass them on.

http://poaches.blogspot.com/2010/06/marking.html
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PostPosted: Wed, 06.23.10 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good link, but it was a cluster of more links...here is one good article i found from them:
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Beyond The Fundamentals by Ben van Heuvelen
Beyond the fundamentals of marking—getting low with the hips, staying balanced, keeping arms wide—here are a few "advanced fundamental" techniques.

1. Chin up, eyes on the chest. My hand is much more likely to find its way in front of the disc when I'm only "looking" with my peripheral vision. To be honest, I'm not sure why this works so well. In part, I think it's because good throwers use disc fakes to get you out of position. If you're not looking at the disc, you're less likely to get faked out by it. Also, there is so much useful visual information to take in—where the thrower is looking, where his chest is facing, whether he's gripping forehand or backhand—and you can only see all of that by using peripheral vision.

2. Step backward to prevent the break. Say I'm forcing forehand, and a thrower tries to break me with an inside-out forehand. If I lunge sideways or forward, closing the distance between me and the thrower, then he has a chance to reach forward and release the disc past my hand. Against a good thrower, I have no chance at a block, and he'll probably draw a foul, too. So, instead, I want to open my hips and lunge laterally and backwards. I deny him the ability to release the disc past my arm, I don't let him draw the foul, and I give myself an extra quarter of a second to locate the disc and move my hand to block it.

3. Straight-up mark. A surprising number of club players put on poor straight-up marks because they seem to think the purpose of a straight-up mark is to get a hand-block. The strategic purpose of a flat mark, however, is usually that we want to prevent throws to the middle of the field—forcing throwers to spray discs wide, into positions where the defense can use the sideline as an extra defender. My rule of thumb for a good flat mark is "mirror shoulders." At all times, my shoulders will be flush with the thrower's shoulders.

4. The half-flat mark. If a thrower (or a team) is hucking successfully, and/or if they're beating us with yardage-gaining breaks, one way to respond is by adjusting the angle of our marks. In the basic forehand force we all learned on the first day of ultimate practice, the marker sets up at a 45-degree angle to the sideline—putting himself in a position where he's able to shift to take away either the inside-out forehand or the around backhand. With the half-flat mark, the thrower concedes the yardage-losing around throw. He sets up entirely perpendicular to the sideline, as if he were marking straight-up—except here he'll shuffle a half step to his right (assuming a forehand force), such that his left shoulder is even with the thrower's chin. As the thrower pivots, the marker will maintain this relative positioning. There are three advantages to this tactic: A. The marker can respond to a "no huck" with a half-step lateral shuffle, easily and quickly, without having to rotate around or lunge over the thrower. B. The marker doesn't have to move as much to take away the inside-out throw. C. Although the marker is conceding an around pass to the backfield, he is more effectively taking away a yardage-gaining around pass.

5. Be unpredictable. Vary your distance from the thrower, keep your hands frantic, add an extra half-second to your stall count ("Stalling one, two, two and a half, three"*)—anything, within the limits of legal play and good sportsmanship, to get your thrower thinking more about your mark and less about his throw.

* I wouldn't use this particular one outside of summer league.

http://the-huddle.org/issues/25/beyond-the-fundamentals/


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PostPosted: Tue, 06.29.10 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pipe dreams?
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PostPosted: Tue, 06.29.10 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think we can make this happen, but i could see it needing to happen after ADA and/or summer league is over b/c of busy schedules
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