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PostPosted: Mon, 01.24.11 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jacob wrote:
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No one is holding Kearney's hand this year


You're right, where is Ajax when it's my turn?

Where is Kate when it's my turn?


weak cop-out that casey boy can only half-heartedly enjoy. I expected better. I also like hyphens. -
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PostPosted: Tue, 01.25.11 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elvin wrote:
Hey, remember that one time when tan team was really, really stacked and then got Jeremy from Springfield who was by far the best player available and the same day, pink team, who he could've helped out a whole ton, got....ME? I don't know anything about the supplemental draft, but I think it doesn't work that well.


I do remember that since I was the captain of the best winter league team of all time--TEAM TAN!. Getting Jeremy was bullshit. The supplemental draft is crap and should be abolished. The FDA league draft is also worthless b/c it is easily manipulated and never yields team parity. We corrected these mistakes for ADA.

FDA league should be reformed. Team Cucumber (best summer league team of all time) and Team Tan should not have been able to be formed. Those teams point out all the problems with the FDA process. Everyone realizes FDA leagues are broken, but no one wants to make the tough decisions to actual commit to fixing the issues. I found it was easier to just run my own league. ADA is a paradigm for what FDA league should be.

However, I will say that once I left town several of the ADA captains forgot that the goal of the "nondraft" draft is to make the teams as fair as possible. The draft round table did not go like it should have last year, but I think by talking about last years process it can be corrected. ADA captains should not draft the best team they can. They should construct the best league teams possible. Setting aside one's personal motives to build the best league possible is not an easy task. Before the "draft" captains have to disclose all knowledge and actively agree to do what is best for Fayetteville ultimate. This is an active, difficult process. I hope that this year ADA will shift back to a more league-centric and not team-centric way.

p.s. Did my name ever get engraved on the league trophy? Team Tan, Beyatches!


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PostPosted: Wed, 01.26.11 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lost and Found...

Lmac left her green Marmot jacket at the Holt fields 2 weeks ago, did anyone on the yellow, black or green (haha) team happen to grab it.

Lmac thanks you.
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PostPosted: Thu, 01.27.11 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xaja wrote:
However, I will say that once I left town several of the ADA captains forgot that the goal of the "nondraft" draft is to make the teams as fair as possible. The draft round table did not go like it should have last year, but I think by talking about last years process it can be corrected. ADA captains should not draft the best team they can. They should construct the best league teams possible. Setting aside one's personal motives to build the best league possible is not an easy task. Before the "draft" captains have to disclose all knowledge and actively agree to do what is best for Fayetteville ultimate. This is an active, difficult process. I hope that this year ADA will shift back to a more league-centric and not team-centric way.


I don't know, this is starting to sound a lot like Socialism...which we all know is evil.
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PostPosted: Thu, 01.27.11 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xaja wrote:
However, I will say that once I left town several of the ADA captains forgot that the goal of the "nondraft" draft is to make the teams as fair as possible. The draft round table did not go like it should have last year, but I think by talking about last years process it can be corrected. ADA captains should not draft the best team they can. They should construct the best league teams possible. Setting aside one's personal motives to build the best league possible is not an easy task. Before the "draft" captains have to disclose all knowledge and actively agree to do what is best for Fayetteville ultimate. This is an active, difficult process. I hope that this year ADA will shift back to a more league-centric and not team-centric way.

If you took Jody with you, then we'd have had even teams (no shirts though).
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PostPosted: Thu, 01.27.11 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another lost and found note, I've been missing my black marmott jacket (aka the best jacket ever) for a couple of weeks now and assume I left it at a frisbee related event. It's all black, no hood, zip up the front. Reward would be offered in the form of beverages. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu, 01.27.11 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sebo wrote:
another lost and found note, I've been missing my black marmott jacket (aka the best jacket ever) for a couple of weeks now and assume I left it at a frisbee related event. It's all black, no hood, zip up the front. Reward would be offered in the form of beverages. Thanks!


I have it for you! I picked it up at pick-up a week or so ago and asked if it was anybody's but you may have left early or something... anways i'll have it at pick-up tonight if you want it or if not i'm sure i can bring it to winter league for you!!
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PostPosted: Fri, 01.28.11 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time to get this thread back on track:

1. Vikki (5-1): Im guessing that last week the red team struggled to find an identity on offense through the first game and part of the second. The combined record of their opponents thus far is a paltry 15-21, with the only team theyve played with a winning record being Lorenzo. A matchup with Michael next week is looming.

2. Michael (5-1): Despite the light-hearted digs at Michael following last week, hes playing well and has his team following suit. Yellow is improving every week and will be gunning for Vikki come Sunday. This team is loaded with fast young'ns that continue to surprise.

3. Jon Mills (3-3): Mills and the blue team have been gaining momentum, fulfilling last weeks bold prediction by going 2-0 against J-Will and Terrell. Their record and point diff dont support a spot this high, but as I scan the list, this is probably my second to last choice to match up with in the tournament.

4. Levi (4-2): Rumors have been swirling all week that Levi plans to send a message on sharing the disc by benching Jacob this Sunday. However, Jacob lobbing up deep shots to Casey, though maybe not the most fun way to win, can certainly be effective at times.

5. Toby (4-2): Ill leave them above Lorenzo based on the head-to-head, but they sure did struggle last week, getting bull-dozed by Michaels yellow team and handing Sadies black team their first win. As suggested by Casey before the first game even started, this team struggled against a zone.

6. Lorenzo (4-2): Couldnt close it out against red after leading early. Close win over a resurgent sky blue. Maybe Bustin will come out this weekend to help out with matchups against Mills blue and Waynes purple.

7. Cameron (3-3): The pink team gives the red team their first loss, then turns around and loses to Crissys sky blue team.

8. Wayne (2-4): Gets the nod above J-Will based on last weeks head to head, though I think J-Will has the better team. Reportedly the purple team loves their hammers.

9. J-Will (2-4): By his own reckoning, J-Wills ace-in-the-hole would not have attendance issues, but he was out last week. The white team has a good win against Michael on their resume, but little else. Theyll likely be underrated going into the tournament unless they can pull off some upsets next week against Levi and Toby. Lets make it this weeks bold prediction that they do.

10. Crissy (2-4): Good week last week with win over Pink and close loss to Kiwi. When focused and motivated, could be a tough matchup.

11. Sadie (1-5): Nice win over Tobys sand team last week. This team has played a tough schedule so far, and it doesnt get any easier with a rematch against red this week.

12. Terrell (1-5): Terrells turn in the basement. Even with Brosh last week they dont even really hang close with either Wayne or Mills. Any decision been made on the 8-team vs. 12-team bracket?
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PostPosted: Fri, 01.28.11 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steven wrote:

4. Levi (4-2): Rumors have been swirling all week that Levi plans to send a message on sharing the disc by benching Jacob this Sunday. However, Jacob lobbing up deep shots to Casey, though maybe not the most fun way to win, can certainly be effective at times.


I've got this feeling that this won't happen. Levi's improvements with Darkside continue to fuel his ego, something that will end up being detrimental in the future.
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PostPosted: Fri, 01.28.11 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not totally positive that the Jacob to Boy combo doesn't work to be honest, that was our hardest thing we have had to deal with in my opinion...and they did share the disc in our game against them, maybe that wasn't the case in other games I guess. I still see orange as number one, then yellow or red or ram in some three way tie haha
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PostPosted: Fri, 01.28.11 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri, 01.28.11 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steven wrote:
1. Vikki (5-1): Im guessing that last week the red team struggled to find an identity on offense through the first game and part of the second.

They'll continue to split games until Jones shows back up. No surprise here. He is the fulcrum of the offense. And a scoundrel.

Steven wrote:
2. Michael (5-1): Despite the light-hearted digs at Michael following last week

For abusing the rule that we care more about the well-being of an individual than who wins a silly game.

Steven wrote:
3. Jon Mills (3-3): Mills and the blue team have been gaining momentum... Their record and point diff dont support a spot this high

Aka Hopwood only missed week one. Week one's five player debacle will be the bane of their pt diff, but should be considered an outlier.
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4. Levi (4-2): Rumors have been swirling all week that Levi plans to send a message on sharing the disc by benching Jacob this Sunday

I look forward to him trying to bench me on Sunday. I'll play the Westbrook to Boy's Durant and keep lobbing him crowd pleasing oops. And we're not taking orders from Royal Ivey.
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Exactly, we go together like lamb and tuna fish.

Steven wrote:
5. Toby (4-2): As suggested by Casey before the first game even started, this team struggled against a zone.

The roster lacks enough players with versatility to perform consistently despite conditions and defenses... much like Levi's Team. They'll struggle in some situations while seeming to thrive in others.

Steven wrote:
7. Cameron (3-3): The pink team gives the red team their first loss, then turns around and loses to Crissys sky blue team.

This team is probably better at ultimate than making power rankings. Big ups to them for calling out Red for not being able to close out a game with a single point after Red demonstrated their lack of cap awareness.

Steven wrote:
8. Wayne (2-4): Gets the nod above J-Will based on last weeks head to head

NWB has been playing like an old man lately and he's a year older this week. Also, a scoundrel.

Steven wrote:
9. J-Will (2-4): Theyll likely be underrated going into the tournament unless they can pull off some upsets next week against Levi and Toby. Lets make it this weeks bold prediction that they do.

They'll be properly rated considering 6 weeks of play in which their skill showed to have slipped demonstrably. The over/under on hucks I throw up for to Boy to sky Matty on is 5.5 for this game. I'd take the under, because Matty won't be able to keep up with him enough to even make the poster. Also, I expect Jwill to pull his "pretend to be a nice guy" routine while making dubious call after dubious call.

Steven wrote:
10. Crissy (2-4): When focused and motivated

I don't think that was the team dynamic they were aiming for when they selected Champagne first round.


Steven wrote:
12. Terrell (1-5): Terrells turn in the basement. Any decision been made on the 8-team vs. 12-team bracket?

The balance between unmotivated and untalented. The team may just be much less talented than most of us envisioned. I wholly expect them to win the B-Bracket at Holt, because I'm a sucker for redemption stories.

Killa Cam's Power Rankings wrote:
Not totally positive that the Jacob to Boy combo doesn't work to be honest, that was our hardest thing we have had to deal with in my opinion...and they did share the disc in our game against them

I appreciate the faith, but it has failed twice already against teams that schemed well enough minimize our effectiveness. Or maybe we just suck and despite our willingness to provide flair, there is a need a need for more substance than style. I could see the lower tier guys on the team complaining about touches as their touches have been distributed to our girls who provide better match-ups. I doubt there is any team that has thrown even close to as many huck goals to girls. Sarah Bown has done a great job as a #2 girl {insert scat jokes} as she is constantly running down the field until she gets behind the defense to become the target of an ill-advised shot.
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PostPosted: Sat, 01.29.11 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jacob wrote:
xaja wrote:
However, I will say that once I left town several of the ADA captains forgot that the goal of the "nondraft" draft is to make the teams as fair as possible. The draft round table did not go like it should have last year, but I think by talking about last years process it can be corrected. ADA captains should not draft the best team they can. They should construct the best league teams possible. Setting aside one's personal motives to build the best league possible is not an easy task. Before the "draft" captains have to disclose all knowledge and actively agree to do what is best for Fayetteville ultimate. This is an active, difficult process. I hope that this year ADA will shift back to a more league-centric and not team-centric way.

If you took Jody with you, then we'd have had even teams (no shirts though).


2009 mixed season records
Ravenclaw 4-2 +17
Slytherin 4-2 -1
Gryffindor 3-3 +4
Hufflepuff 1-5 -20

2010 mixed season records
Harpies 5-1 +16
Medusa 3-3 +8
Kraken 3-3 -5
Scorpion 1-5 -19

2009 Open season records
Optimus Prime 4-2 -2
Megatron 3-3 +14
Devastator 3-3 -3
Unicron 2-4 -9

2010 Open season records
War Machine 4-2 +18
Whiplash 4-1 +1
IronMan 3-3 +6
Black Widow 1-5 -25

Looking back at the two seasons, i just don't see a shift in parity.
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PostPosted: Sat, 01.29.11 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Supafunky wrote:

2009 mixed season records
Ravenclaw 4-2 +17
Slytherin 4-2 -1
Gryffindor 3-3 +4
Hufflepuff 1-5 -20

2010 mixed season records
Harpies 5-1 +16
Medusa 3-3 +8
Kraken 3-3 -5
Scorpion 1-5 -19

2009 Open season records
Optimus Prime 4-2 -2
Megatron 3-3 +14
Devastator 3-3 -3
Unicron 2-4 -9

2010 Open season records
War Machine 4-2 +18
Whiplash 4-1 +1
IronMan 3-3 +6
Black Widow 1-5 -25

Looking back at the two seasons, i just don't see a shift in parity.


2009 was the 1st year mixed was done so we knew it would have problems that would need to be corrected in order to make the league teams more even in the future.

I think it is clear in hindsight that Ravenclaw was too good and Hufflepuff was not good. I take responsibility for Hufflepuff. Phil should not have been a captain. He claimed he was going to be available every week and would run a structured team that would be dedicated to winning. That was not the case. Therefore, he was not asked back as a captain.

There were other roster dynamics and issues from Mixed '09 that should have been corrected between '09 and '10 to make the teams more even. The mixed captains did a poor job dividing the talent and rather than institute a better product in 2010 it had the same status quo as 2009 which is unacceptable. A 35 point range (+16/ -19) differential between #1 and #4 is too much. Mixed '09 was about the same (37) but we want to shrink this margin to zero. Hopefully, this summer ADA will improve the mixed division.

In open, I would argue that there was a significant shift in parity when you compare '09 to '10. In '09, the range from #1 to #4 was 7 points. However, in '10 the range jumped to 43 points.

In conclusion, ADA Mixed has never been truly even in its 2 years of existence. ADA Open used to be pretty even, but it took a step backwards in 2010. As I said in my previous post, the captains have to be willing to put the goals of ADA before their own selfish desires to end up with the best team possible. I don't feel this was an active pursuit of all captains in 2010.
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PostPosted: Sun, 01.30.11 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xaja wrote:
Supafunky wrote:

2009 mixed season records
Ravenclaw 4-2 +17
Slytherin 4-2 -1
Gryffindor 3-3 +4
Hufflepuff 1-5 -20

2010 mixed season records
Harpies 5-1 +16
Medusa 3-3 +8
Kraken 3-3 -5
Scorpion 1-5 -19

2009 Open season records
Optimus Prime 4-2 -2
Megatron 3-3 +14
Devastator 3-3 -3
Unicron 2-4 -9

2010 Open season records
War Machine 4-2 +18
Whiplash 4-1 +1
IronMan 3-3 +6
Black Widow 1-5 -25

Looking back at the two seasons, i just don't see a shift in parity.


2009 was the 1st year mixed was done so we knew it would have problems that would need to be corrected in order to make the league teams more even in the future.

I think it is clear in hindsight that Ravenclaw was too good and Hufflepuff was not good. I take responsibility for Hufflepuff. Phil should not have been a captain. He claimed he was going to be available every week and would run a structured team that would be dedicated to winning. That was not the case. Therefore, he was not asked back as a captain.

There were other roster dynamics and issues from Mixed '09 that should have been corrected between '09 and '10 to make the teams more even. The mixed captains did a poor job dividing the talent and rather than institute a better product in 2010 it had the same status quo as 2009 which is unacceptable. A 35 point range (+16/ -19) differential between #1 and #4 is too much. Mixed '09 was about the same (37) but we want to shrink this margin to zero. Hopefully, this summer ADA will improve the mixed division.

In open, I would argue that there was a significant shift in parity when you compare '09 to '10. In '09, the range from #1 to #4 was 7 points. However, in '10 the range jumped to 43 points.

In conclusion, ADA Mixed has never been truly even in its 2 years of existence. ADA Open used to be pretty even, but it took a step backwards in 2010. As I said in my previous post, the captains have to be willing to put the goals of ADA before their own selfish desires to end up with the best team possible. I don't feel this was an active pursuit of all captains in 2010.


Interesting points to think about on mixed, but you failed to prove that parity changed. That was the main point - that it had gotten worse.

In open, the 2010 open #4 team was actually a good team, but our attendance sucked. We had one game with 12 players and won. Other than that, we were mostly savage. We played one game with 4 players and lost 15-4, so that's 11 points of the spread right there. Actually, that's 22 points of the spread since that victory went to the eventual number 1. The number 1 team had another 11 point victory that makes the spread bigger.

Since I'm a data junkie, I looked at average point spread by game. 2009 = 2.75 (ranging from 1 to eight (stupid emoticons)). 2010 = 4.1 (ranging from 2 to 7, i excluded both 11 point games as anomalies with them it would be 5.25).

In conclusion, we'll do better this summer.
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